Gay-marriage foes claim victory in Maine

[flippysam]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gay marriage, if 2 people love each other they should be allowed to get married.

But if they want to be married then I can't see why they don't merely move to a state where it is legal, if you marry someone you will do whatever you can to be with them. Although it is unfair that places don't allow it, Women didn't have as many rights as they do now 70 years ago, but I'm sure in a few decades gay marriage will be widely accepted.

[ThisIsSparta]

Originally Posted by Dracophile

You mention you support the notion of freedom of choice, yet you contradict yourself in saying that gay people shouldn't have that freedom.

Great job! <-- You get the gold star, too!

Marriage isn't a religious contract with anything. It's a binding legal document that simply has a lot of emotional emphasis placed upon it because it is a long term commitment between two people who love and support one another. You can get married in a boring courthouse or you can get married in a church and vow to "god" that you won't divorce. A priest and a judge have the same exact powers to wed somebody, there is no difference in status of your marriage if the county judge signs your paper or not, no matter how much you think there is. They just won't let you decorate a courthouse.

If the United States really had "separation of church and state" then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. You would be disgusted by same-sex love, the newly wed couple would be happy, and whether or not the government official signing the document approved of such union or not would be the concern of neither party. I don't know if you know this or not, Zmac, but we don't actually care what you think, we do not need or seek your approval in anything we want to do in our lives. If we cared what a bunch of religious people thought, we'd ask. Instead we as a country just have a bunch of mindless old white guys who surf to work on a magic Bible and fart crosses and ruin the lives of people who are different from their own, and that's pretty far from "separation of church and state".

Perhaps if religion was not so bass-ackwards in regards to stealing liberties from honest good-mannered people and socially ostracizing those who are different from the non-existent "social norm" I wouldn't be such a hardened atheist, but so long as stupid childish antics like this turn up I am quite proud to turn my nose up at a church and look the other way every time I pass one. Gay people don't have cooties, and letting them marry isn't going to destroy the "sanctity of marriage". A stand-up comic once made a joke about how miserable married life is, "gay people only want to experience that miserableness too".

Perhaps if laws were passed to allow same-sex marriages (which shouldn't even need to be done in the first place) some homosexual folks might rub it in your face, but do you know what the majority of them would actually do? They'd get married and pretty much go about business as usual. Nobody's going to stick their fingers in your face and laugh at you for "losing". A select few would probably high five each other but not to the circlejerking extent that we see religious sects celebrating over. It's not a "win" or a "lose" and it shouldn't have to be, at all, ever. It's a right that some people are having unfairly taken from them for reasons that are not their fault - and I see that as "problem".

Great job, Draco. You took the words right out of my mouth.

[Chandru]

Originally Posted by Zmac93

You miss the point of why homosexuality is wrong, Chandru. I'm not saying they can't help it, however it's not who they are. It's because of sin that they are the way they are. Homosexuality is only wrong when they act upon the desires of a relationship/sexual acts with the same sex. God created men and women to have children, and only a man and a woman. You can have a child 1 of 2 ways when you are homosexual. 1. Artificial insemination, and 2. adoption.
It's still not a viable argument. Sin is ultimately responsible for the darkness in the world, like homosexuality, death, stealing, etc. Have you ever heard of sodom and gomorrah? God destroyed them because they were so indulged in sin(homosexuality, and I think other things). They are lucky because they have the ability to we in some states, in other countries it's outlawed correct?
I believe the actions of homosexuality are sinful, not the thoughts, because as you said they can't help the thoughts.

Our views differ so much that it's like talking to a brick wall(in my case and yours) I'm guessing. I'm not going to back down, and you aren't either so before this gets out of hand, let me answer your question: If it was the way God created the world, then it would be so. But until this happens, it's not comparable.



The question is about opinions, because the "right" thing may be the wrong thing, Wally. If you believe it's right for them to marry, and I don't, who's right? 100,000 people agree with me, and the same amount for you.. who's side is right? If God says it's wrong, it's wrong. Or, at least, that's what I believe. So which side is right? Are you going to tell millions of people that they're wrong for believing a certain thing, when you believe another?

If a person really has the desire to get married, it will not matter to them if they have to leave the state and get married.



Would it be a safe compromise if the state that didn't allow it, saw gay marriage as okay? Because even then they would be able to get married and have it seen as a real marriage.
It will affect me by going against my beliefs. See, right now, you're feeling the way you are because it goes against your beliefs. So it would aggravate me, because it's not right in my eyes. It's not up to just one person, it's up to a whole group. You think it's right, and I don't, so who's right?

So people shouldn't get married because they love each other? They should only do it to have kids?

[Bizor]

For those questioning my unique view, I'd like marriage to stay the same as it always was. It worked for all the generations before me, so I'd like the same benefit, and just have it known as the legal bond of a man and a woman.

Originally Posted by Anvar

Words always change. We went through this in other thread. Do you ever use "gay" as happy any more?

No, because that word means absolutely nothing from it's original meaning. I don't want marriage to be like that, a casual term.

[JoeyPeng]

Originally Posted by Zmac93

Also, how can that analogy be used? My mom's left handed, and I can assure you she's not trying to fight for the right to marry another left handed person. But is she outraged by it? No, because it doesn't fit the right way. Ultimately, one person's opinion won in the end. You'd be overjoyed, and mocking the "religious groups" if it won. It's the way a democracy works. Either way, neither you or I have a say in the matter so we have to live with what happens.

Um, the reason your mom isn't trying to "fight for the right to marry another left-handed person" is because she already has that right. If she didn't you'd better believe she'd be fighting for it.
Furthermore, this isn't a matter of "winning" and "losing." Its an issue of morality.

Originally Posted by Butters

*Starts rejoicing in this thread*

I am tired of us being considered a nut for having legit beliefs in our community.

If this was passed and homosexuals married, then it still wouldn't be an official marriage. Sure there are vows so paper wise they are married, but it is made a true marriage when they intercourse. The intercourse shows that the marriage is official and is technically just started. The vows at the beginning are just the reading of the contact. The intercourse is the signature. This signature is not available for a couple who don't have anything to write with. They can't sign the contract.

This makes no sense...so infertile people can't really get married?

[Tolni]

Originally Posted by Zmac93

Listen, most of us aren't jumping out of bed in the mornings, throwing rallies against the homosexual people getting married. If you believe it's wrong that they can't get married, it's your opinion. It's my opinion that they shouldn't be allowed to. That's the freedom you're talking about, the freedom of opinion. The freedom to be able to choose. Now, they had the chance, however it wasn't passed. But does that stop them from getting married? No. It simply means that state doesn't allow it, what's stopping them from going to another state that allows it, and getting married?

Also, how can that analogy be used? My mom's left handed, and I can assure you she's not trying to fight for the right to marry another left handed person. But is she outraged by it? No, because it doesn't fit the right way. Ultimately, one person's opinion won in the end. You'd be overjoyed, and mocking the "religious groups" if it won. It's the way a democracy works. Either way, neither you or I have a say in the matter so we have to live with what happens.

I`m issuing a debate against left handed people marrying other left handed, guys.

[Big Moose]

The only problem I really have with the gay community is what happened to the Miss America contestant earlier this year. The gay community slammed her for her opinion and yet they believe in freedom of expression and believe what they want is deserved. However she was not allowed to have her freedom expression and look at what happened to her.
The problem is that they rejected her freedom of expression and speech. And yet they are mad when they are denied their freedom.
Other then that I don't know why they choose that lifestyle but I disagree with it.

[JeDii]

Originally Posted by Big Moose

The only problem I really have with the gay community is what happened to the Miss America contestant earlier this year. The gay community slammed her for her opinion and yet they believe in freedom of expression and believe what they want is deserved. However she was not allowed to have her freedom expression and look at what happened to her.
The problem is that they rejected her freedom of expression and speech. And yet they are mad when they are denied their freedom.
Other then that I don't know why they choose that lifestyle but I disagree with it.

It was mostly Perez Hilton with the Miss America thing, and maybe if we stop paying attention to him, he'll go away. I disagreed with them slamming her, because everyone is entitled to their own opinion regardless of what it is, and they shouldn't have to modify it
for a simple question like that.

But being gay is not a choice. There's been a lot of research done, and that's pretty much certain.

[ThisIsSparta]

Originally Posted by Tolni

I`m issuing a debate against left handed people marrying other left handed, guys.

I'm in. We must stop the left handed from their sinful ways!

[Newtown11]

Originally Posted by ThisIsSparta

I'm in. We must stop the left handed from their sinful ways!

God always used his left hand to punish, you know, so why let the left handers marry or raise children?