Gay-marriage foes claim victory in Maine

[Projectmatt]

This saddens me. What ever happened to freedom? We should have a right to marry who we want. Also, whats wrong with gay marriage? I'm not gay, but if two people love each other why should their rights be taken away because some people disagree?
To all those that oppose gay marriage, does it effect you in ANY way? Will it do anything to hurt you? No.
So just because you believe being gay is wrong, does that mean you should restrict the right of marriage from every single person who is in love? If so, why? People listen to music everyday. I know several people who think music is wrong. Does that mean music should be banned? No. Because it doesn't effect you in any single way.
I don't get why people can't accept that we all have our own opinion.

[walmartshrty]

Originally Posted by Zmac93

God wants people to be happy, but the ultimate way to be happy is for people to follow His will. And the desires of homosexuality are a worldly desire, if someone loved God, they would forgo themselves and do what God tells them. God wants the best for people, and the best is to live in His will. He doesn't want people to be miserable, He wants for us to be happy and love Him because we're His children. I can't honestly explain how gay people came to be, or why they think the way they do but God says that homosexuality is wrong. Not the person, but the act.
He's not wanting them to be miserable, un-married people. If they listened to God, they'd see what He wants for them.

It's not forcing them to believe something, they can believe it's wrong all they want but it's not up to us. If God wants something done, it will happen. So, we can think what we want but what's in His will is going to happen. No matter what.

Sure, yeah. Basically now we're talking about religion, however isn't state and the laws that go along with it supposed to be separate from religion? Mm hmm?

But if you want to bring this even more into religion I'm definitely up for it. Let's do this thing. I believe God wants us to be happy, however I can guarantee you that just because you follow God's holy written word does not mean you're happy. My mom and dad used to be the most religious people I knew. They were miserable. Absolutely miserable. They tried and tried and had faith through it all, but they didn't get crap. I'm not saying this is God's fault, I'm just saying not everything works out for the best. I also believe that God wants us to make our OWN decisions. That does not mean you can go around making decisions for other people like oh hey anti gay-marriage. My God wants people to have the freedom of choice and yes, He does want them to follow his will, but He believes that the only way for them to truly follow his will is by their own individual choice, not yours.

[Dracophile]

Originally Posted by Zmac93

Listen, most of us aren't jumping out of bed in the mornings, throwing rallies against the homosexual people getting married. If you believe it's wrong that they can't get married, it's your opinion. It's my opinion that they shouldn't be allowed to. That's the freedom you're talking about, the freedom of opinion. The freedom to be able to choose. Now, they had the chance, however it wasn't passed. But does that stop them from getting married? No. It simply means that state doesn't allow it, what's stopping them from going to another state that allows it, and getting married?

Also, how can that analogy be used? My mom's left handed, and I can assure you she's not trying to fight for the right to marry another left handed person. But is she outraged by it? No, because it doesn't fit the right way. Ultimately, one person's opinion won in the end. You'd be overjoyed, and mocking the "religious groups" if it won. It's the way a democracy works. Either way, neither you or I have a say in the matter so we have to live with what happens.

You mention you support the notion of freedom of choice, yet you contradict yourself in saying that gay people shouldn't have that freedom.

Great job! <-- You get the gold star, too!

Marriage isn't a religious contract with anything. It's a binding legal document that simply has a lot of emotional emphasis placed upon it because it is a long term commitment between two people who love and support one another. You can get married in a boring courthouse or you can get married in a church and vow to "god" that you won't divorce. A priest and a judge have the same exact powers to wed somebody, there is no difference in status of your marriage if the county judge signs your paper or not, no matter how much you think there is. They just won't let you decorate a courthouse.

If the United States really had "separation of church and state" then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. You would be disgusted by same-sex love, the newly wed couple would be happy, and whether or not the government official signing the document approved of such union or not would be the concern of neither party. I don't know if you know this or not, Zmac, but we don't actually care what you think, we do not need or seek your approval in anything we want to do in our lives. If we cared what a bunch of religious people thought, we'd ask. Instead we as a country just have a bunch of mindless old white guys who surf to work on a magic Bible and fart crosses and ruin the lives of people who are different from their own, and that's pretty far from "separation of church and state".

Perhaps if religion was not so bass-ackwards in regards to stealing liberties from honest good-mannered people and socially ostracizing those who are different from the non-existent "social norm" I wouldn't be such a hardened atheist, but so long as stupid childish antics like this turn up I am quite proud to turn my nose up at a church and look the other way every time I pass one. Gay people don't have cooties, and letting them marry isn't going to destroy the "sanctity of marriage". A stand-up comic once made a joke about how miserable married life is, "gay people only want to experience that miserableness too".

Perhaps if laws were passed to allow same-sex marriages (which shouldn't even need to be done in the first place) some homosexual folks might rub it in your face, but do you know what the majority of them would actually do? They'd get married and pretty much go about business as usual. Nobody's going to stick their fingers in your face and laugh at you for "losing". A select few would probably high five each other but not to the circlejerking extent that we see religious sects celebrating over. It's not a "win" or a "lose" and it shouldn't have to be, at all, ever. It's a right that some people are having unfairly taken from them for reasons that are not their fault - and I see that as "problem".

[Bizor]

I don't support gay marriage because I don't believe we should change the meaning of words. Contranyms have messed with our language enough, we don't need another one.

I wouldn't care if they had a different word for it.

[walmartshrty]

Originally Posted by Dracophile

You mention you support the notion of freedom of choice, yet you contradict yourself in saying that gay people shouldn't have that freedom.

Great job! <-- You get the gold star, too!

Marriage isn't a religious contract with anything. It's a binding legal document that simply has a lot of emotional emphasis placed upon it because it is a long term commitment between two people who love and support one another. You can get married in a boring courthouse or you can get married in a church and vow to "god" that you won't divorce. A priest and a judge have the same exact powers to wed somebody, there is no difference in status of your marriage if the county judge signs your paper or not, no matter how much you think there is. They just won't let you decorate a courthouse.

If the United States really had "separation of church and state" then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. You would be disgusted by same-sex love, the newly wed couple would be happy, and whether or not the government official signing the document approved of such union or not would be the concern of neither party. I don't know if you know this or not, Zmac, but we don't actually care what you think, we do not need or seek your approval in anything we want to do in our lives. If we cared what a bunch of religious people thought, we'd ask. Instead we as a country just have a bunch of mindless old white guys who surf to work on a magic Bible and fart crosses and ruin the lives of people who are different from their own, and that's pretty far from "separation of church and state".

Perhaps if religion was not so bass-ackwards in regards to stealing liberties from honest good-mannered people and socially ostracizing those who are different from the non-existent "social norm" I wouldn't be such a hardened atheist, but so long as stupid childish antics like this turn up I am quite proud to turn my nose up at a church and look the other way every time I pass one. Gay people don't have cooties, and letting them marry isn't going to destroy the "sanctity of marriage". A stand-up comic once made a joke about how miserable married life is, "gay people only want to experience that miserableness too".

Perhaps if laws were passed to allow same-sex marriages (which shouldn't even need to be done in the first place) some homosexual folks might rub it in your face, but do you know what the majority of them would actually do? They'd get married and pretty much go about business as usual. Nobody's going to stick their fingers in your face and laugh at you for "losing". A select few would probably high five each other but not to the circlejerking extent that we see religious sects celebrating over. It's not a "win" or a "lose" and it shouldn't have to be, at all, ever. It's a right that some people are having unfairly taken from them for reasons that are not their fault - and I see that as "problem".

I want to steal this for every gay-marriage thread.

[Boxman]

Originally Posted by Dracophile

You mention you support the notion of freedom of choice, yet you contradict yourself in saying that gay people shouldn't have that freedom.

Great job! <-- You get the gold star, too!

Marriage isn't a religious contract with anything. It's a binding legal document that simply has a lot of emotional emphasis placed upon it because it is a long term commitment between two people who love and support one another. You can get married in a boring courthouse or you can get married in a church and vow to "god" that you won't divorce. A priest and a judge have the same exact powers to wed somebody, there is no difference in status of your marriage if the county judge signs your paper or not, no matter how much you think there is. They just won't let you decorate a courthouse.

If the United States really had "separation of church and state" then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. You would be disgusted by same-sex love, the newly wed couple would be happy, and whether or not the government official signing the document approved of such union or not would be the concern of neither party. I don't know if you know this or not, Zmac, but we don't actually care what you think, we do not need or seek your approval in anything we want to do in our lives. If we cared what a bunch of religious people thought, we'd ask. Instead we as a country just have a bunch of mindless old white guys who surf to work on a magic Bible and fart crosses and ruin the lives of people who are different from their own, and that's pretty far from "separation of church and state".

Perhaps if religion was not so bass-ackwards in regards to stealing liberties from honest good-mannered people and socially ostracizing those who are different from the non-existent "social norm" I wouldn't be such a hardened atheist, but so long as stupid childish antics like this turn up I am quite proud to turn my nose up at a church and look the other way every time I pass one. Gay people don't have cooties, and letting them marry isn't going to destroy the "sanctity of marriage". A stand-up comic once made a joke about how miserable married life is, "gay people only want to experience that miserableness too".

Perhaps if laws were passed to allow same-sex marriages (which shouldn't even need to be done in the first place) some homosexual folks might rub it in your face, but do you know what the majority of them would actually do? They'd get married and pretty much go about business as usual. Nobody's going to stick their fingers in your face and laugh at you for "losing". A select few would probably high five each other but not to the circlejerking extent that we see religious sects celebrating over. It's not a "win" or a "lose" and it shouldn't have to be, at all, ever. It's a right that some people are having unfairly taken from them for reasons that are not their fault - and I see that as "problem".

You are now my idol in everything relating to politics and religion.

[Bizor]

Originally Posted by Boxman

You are now my idol in everything relating to politics and religion.

It's amazing what a wall of text can do to a person.

[Newtown11]

Originally Posted by Bizor

I don't support gay marriage because I don't believe we should change the meaning of words. Contranyms have messed with our language enough, we don't need another one.

I wouldn't care if they had a different word for it.

You're irked simply because of a word? Oh jeez, maybe we should stop writing thesauruses now. Also, Draco gets a lifetime supply of cookies.

[Butters]

*Starts rejoicing in this thread*

I am tired of us being considered a nut for having legit beliefs in our community.

If this was passed and homosexuals married, then it still wouldn't be an official marriage. Sure there are vows so paper wise they are married, but it is made a true marriage when they intercourse. The intercourse shows that the marriage is official and is technically just started. The vows at the beginning are just the reading of the contact. The intercourse is the signature. This signature is not available for a couple who don't have anything to write with. They can't sign the contract.

[JeDii]

Originally Posted by Butters

*Starts rejoicing in this thread*

I am tired of us being considered a nut for having legit beliefs in our community.

If this was passed and homosexuals married, then it still wouldn't be an official marriage. Sure there are vows so paper wise they are married, but it is made a true marriage when they intercourse. The intercourse shows that the marriage is official and is technically just started. The vows at the beginning are just the reading of the contact. The intercourse is the signature. This signature is not available for a couple who don't have anything to write with. They can't sign the contract.

Gay people still have sex?